Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

02/05/2010 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 295 UNIVERSITY LAND GRANT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 206 HIGH SCHOOL ASSESSM'T/POSTSECONDARY CLASS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 317 EDUC. FUNDING: BASIC/SPEC NEEDS/TRANSPORT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
        HB 206-HIGH SCHOOL ASSESSM'T/POSTSECONDARY CLASS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:41:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  206, "An  Act establishing  a career  assessment                                                               
requirement  in public  schools;  and  relating to  postsecondary                                                               
courses for secondary school students."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:42 a.m. to 9:47 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:47:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  moved to  adopt  CSHB  206, 26-LS-765\P,  Mischel,                                                               
2/2/10, as the working document.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH objected for discussion.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:47:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOUIE  FLORA, Staff,  Representative  Paul  Seaton, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented the committee  substitute (CS), Version P,                                                               
directing attention  to page 2,  line 27,  where a new  Section 2                                                               
has  been inserted.   Language  now extends  the existing  20 day                                                               
student count period to 80 days,  ending the second Friday in the                                                               
month of February.  Page 3,  line 22, Section 4, establishes that                                                               
the count  from the  preceding year will  fund the  present year.                                                               
Section 5, page 4, line 2,  deals with the possibility of a count                                                               
increase,  and   provides  districts   the  ability   to  request                                                               
additional funding,  for current  year adjustments.   He directed                                                               
attention to  Section 3 on page  3, line 17, and  paraphrased the                                                               
language, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         *Sec. 3. AS 14.17.600 is amended by adding new                                                                         
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      (c) The student count conducted for the immediately                                                                       
      preceding school year shall be used for calculating                                                                       
     state aid under AS 14.17.410.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     (d)  A  student  who  is enrolled  and  graduates  from                                                                    
     secondary school  during the  counting period  shall be                                                                    
     included  in the  student count  for the  full counting                                                                    
     period.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:50:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS, Director,  School  Finance  and Facilities  Section,                                                               
Department  of Education  and Early  Development (EED),  said the                                                               
suggestion  to  consider  a  continuous,  80  day,  count  period                                                               
originated with the commissioner.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:51:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  noted  that  Version P  clarifies  how  the  basic                                                               
forward funding will be solidified,  and a means for districts to                                                               
receive enrollment increase adjustments for the current year.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS concurred.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:52:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON explained why the  count time is being adjusted, and                                                               
how  it  is  expected  to  provide  financial  encouragement  for                                                               
schools  to retain  students.   The reason  for Section  3 is  to                                                               
allow adjustment  for mid-year graduation, which  might otherwise                                                               
be discouraged.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:54:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER asked  for a  further explanation  of the                                                               
effects of extending the count period.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  said the  mathematics appear  to be  streamlined by                                                               
having a single longer count  period, versus two shorter periods,                                                               
which are averaged.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  opined  that  in order  to  identify  an                                                               
accurate  attrition  number the  most  effective  times to  count                                                               
would be in October and again in April or May.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:57:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON offered that  one reason for  the count                                                               
ending  in February  is that  the school  districts begin  budget                                                               
deliberations, which includes issuance  of pink slips to teaching                                                               
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  argued that the two  count periods theory                                                               
is  to provide  an attrition  count, and  to incentivize  student                                                               
retention.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:58:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  said the  original intent will  be accomplished  by HB
206, as amended.   He reported that having  one continuous period                                                               
eliminates  the averaging  mechanism  required  for two  separate                                                               
count  periods,   which  proved   to  be  a   confusing  feature.                                                               
Additionally,  Version  P  still   achieves  the  desired  effect                                                               
providing  BSA  funding  based  on  the  prior  year  count,  and                                                               
allowing adjustments  for increases  in current  year enrollment.                                                               
At some point the count has  to be stopped to allow the districts                                                               
time  for budget  reconciliation, and  ending in  February allows                                                               
for those financial adjustments to occur.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  pointed  out  that  in  the  previous  version,  a                                                               
February count was included.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  maintained her concern that  the original                                                               
intent is not being preserved.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON said  the previous version also  included a February                                                               
count period.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:01:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  opined  that the  current  language  strengthens  the                                                               
original intent,  and the continuous count  period eliminates any                                                               
"game playing."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER argued that whatever  happens on day 81 or                                                               
120 will never be known.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEANS  responded that  neither  version  would provide  that                                                               
information,  which would  only  be available  by implementing  a                                                               
full 180 day  count period.  A count of  that length would hinder                                                               
districts ability  to make  adjustments for  current enrollments,                                                               
throughout the year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:02:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON pointed out that concerns  have arisen for how a 180                                                               
day student count  will affect small schools  with enrollments of                                                               
10-11.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS indicated  that the communities that  have been playing                                                               
games with a  minimum of 10 students, for a  20 day count period,                                                               
will need to maintain that enrollment  for 80 days.  If the small                                                               
school can  show that  they had  10 students for  180 days,  in a                                                               
prior year, funds  reflecting that number will  be distributed in                                                               
the subsequent year.   He explained that the funding  does not go                                                               
directly to  the school, but  is directed to the  district; where                                                               
it is determined how to allocate  the resources.  Funding for the                                                               
prior year  count will be  provided, even if the  count decreases                                                               
in the current year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  said  that   understanding  should  alleviate  the                                                               
concerns of the smaller schools.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:05:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH removed his objection.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON,  hearing  no  further  objection,  announced  that                                                               
Version  P was  before  the  committee.   He  then opened  public                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:05:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DARLEEN TRIPLETT,  Superintendent, Dillingham City  Schools, said                                                               
the record keeping  can become involved, and  small schools don't                                                               
have   dedicated  administrative   staff   to  handle   reporting                                                               
requirements.   She  suggested extending  the date  for when  the                                                               
counts are due  to the department, as the ten  day requirement is                                                               
restrictive.  The student count  must be checked for accuracy and                                                               
adjusted for transfer students,  prior to transmission, which can                                                               
be labor intensive.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:08:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WOODY  WILSON, Superintendent,  Wrangell Public  School District,                                                               
testified in opposition  to HB 206, paraphrasing  from a prepared                                                               
statement, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  has one  of  the  highest high-school  drop-out                                                                    
     rates in the nation.   HB 206 addresses this problem by                                                                    
     providing incentives for districts  to keep students by                                                                    
     replacing the current 20-day  student count period with                                                                    
     an  80-day count  for purposes  of determining  student                                                                    
     numbers for  school funding.   HB 206 seeks  to elevate                                                                    
     student engagement  by allowing  students who  pass the                                                                    
     High School Graduation Qualifying  Exam (HSGQE) to take                                                                    
     college or vocational education  credits for free until                                                                    
     high-school graduation.   Students who do  not pass all                                                                  
     three sections of the HSGQE  should not be disqualified                                                                    
     from  taking college  or vocational  education credits.                                                                    
     Many very successful business people  in this and other                                                                    
     states  could  not  pass  all  three  sections  of  the                                                                    
     qualifying  exam.   That should  not  penalize them  or                                                                    
     hold them back.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     It also adds a student's  career preparedness scores to                                                                    
     their high-school transcript.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The career preparedness  requirement attempts to ensure                                                                    
     that  high  school  graduation   is  based  on  student                                                                    
     competency  for   real-world  employment  applications.                                                                    
     The  Department  of  Education  and  Early  Development                                                                    
     (DEED) currently requires that  all 11th graders take a                                                                    
     career  assessment  test,  in this  case  the  WorkKeys                                                                    
     Assessment.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  above statement  is  incorrect.   "The  department                                                                    
     does "not" currently  require ...."  It  is the opinion                                                                    
     of  my  School  Board  and the  opinion  I  share  that                                                                    
     WorkKeys should  not become a requirement  since it has                                                                    
     little,  if any,  value to  most students  in Wrangell.                                                                    
     Students who  are college bound will  find WorkKey test                                                                    
     documents  useless for  all practical  purposes.   Most                                                                    
     colleges  and universities  do  not recognize  WorkKeys                                                                    
     scores as having any value.   Students entering a trade                                                                    
     or going  on to technical  schools may find  more value                                                                    
     in the WorkKeys scores  since they may find counselors,                                                                    
     teacher's  and  employers  who  understand  what  those                                                                    
     scores mean.   One size does not fit all  and we do not                                                                    
     believe in mandating something that  will have no value                                                                    
     to a large number of our students.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     HB  206 allows  students who  take and  pass all  three                                                                    
     sections  of  the HSGQE  prior  to  graduation to  take                                                                    
     college  credits  or  vocational school  credits  until                                                                    
     graduation.    This  could allow  students  to  advance                                                                    
     toward  an  associate  degree or  vocational  education                                                                    
     certificate  by  the  time  they  have  graduated  high                                                                    
     school.    New  studies indicate  all  students  should                                                                    
     start  college with  at least  six  college credits  to                                                                    
     improve college  graduation rates.  The  HSGQE has been                                                                    
     identified as a contributing  factor to the high school                                                                    
     drop-out  rate.   Students interpret  that passing  the                                                                    
     exam means  they have met their  high school qualifying                                                                    
     criteria  leading  to a  lack  of  interest in  school.                                                                    
     Incorporation  of classes  that are  selected based  on                                                                    
     relevance to the individual  student will help maintain                                                                    
     interest and achievement.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Wrangell  Public Schools  currently  offers 51  College                                                                    
     Credits  to  students in  a  wide  variety of  classes.                                                                    
     Will  this  bill  help  us defray  the  cost  of  these                                                                    
     courses?   This  current  school  year Wrangell  Public                                                                    
     Schools  is  offering Math  105,  Math  108, Math  200,                                                                    
     English 111, English  211, Early Childhood Development,                                                                    
     Emergency  Trauma Technician  (ETT), Emergency  Medical                                                                    
     Technician  I   (EMT-I),  Certified   Nurse  Assistant,                                                                    
     Advanced  Woodworking, Welding  I (metals  fabrication)                                                                    
     and Welding II (metal  fabrication).  All these courses                                                                    
     are  concurrent  or  dual enrollment  college  courses.                                                                    
     How  will  this  bill  benefit   our  students  or  our                                                                    
     district?                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB  206   requires  school  districts  to   conduct  an                                                                    
     extended  count  period  to determine  school  funding.                                                                    
     This provision increases the  count period from 20-days                                                                    
     to 80-days and would  provide a financial incentive for                                                                    
     schools to  retain their students  for the  whole year.                                                                    
     School districts  will be funded  based on  their prior                                                                    
     year's  count.   Current law  holds districts  harmless                                                                    
     for  a decrease  in  student count,  and  HB 206  would                                                                    
     allow  districts with  an increase  in student  numbers                                                                    
     during the current year to  receive an adjusted funding                                                                    
     level for that year.   Students who graduate from high-                                                                    
     school  in the  middle  of the  80-day  count would  be                                                                    
     included in the full count period.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     It is  my belief that  the prolonged count  period will                                                                    
     accomplish   nothing   but   to  perhaps   cause   more                                                                    
     frustration  for  school  secretaries,  administrators,                                                                    
     and IT  [(information technology)]  people who  have to                                                                    
     compile these  data.  It  is very possible  that school                                                                    
     districts may lose funding.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Will  there be  a  fiscal note  attached  to the  bill?                                                                    
     Extending the count will not  come without cost in each                                                                    
     district and  DEED.  Thickening the  bureaucracy is not                                                                    
     always  a  good  thing   without  knowing  if  positive                                                                    
     results can be gained.   The assumption is that schools                                                                    
     have control  over whether or  not the  student attends                                                                    
     and  continue their  education.    Agreed, schools  can                                                                    
     influence this  decision but  schools certainly  do not                                                                    
     have  control.    Parents  are   the  control  in  this                                                                    
     instance.    I  fear   schools  will  be  punished  for                                                                    
     decisions made in the homes of their students.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Furthermore   there  are   other  reasons   for  school                                                                    
     populations to increase and  decrease that have nothing                                                                    
     to do with drop outs.   Drop out prevention seems to be                                                                    
     the  primary purpose  for this  legislation.   How does                                                                    
     the  bill  control  for  normal  transience  of  school                                                                    
     populations.   Transience is  certainly not  related to                                                                    
     school drop outs  but would cause a  district to either                                                                    
     gain or lose funds.  For example:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Village  A  has  a  fire   that  burns  several  homes.                                                                    
     Families from Village  A move to Village B.   Village A                                                                    
     has a  significant decrease in student  population over                                                                    
     the count  period and Village  B has an increase.   One                                                                    
     school  will  be  penalized while  the  other  will  be                                                                    
     rewarded.    Neither  may  have   had  an  increase  or                                                                    
     decrease based purely on drop outs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Where  will the  money for  tuition come  from?   Is it                                                                    
     supposed to come from  the school district's foundation                                                                    
     formula?  There is no fiscal  note that I have seen yet                                                                    
     so  I may  not understand  how this  is intended  to be                                                                    
     paid for.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     What about districts that use  their own staff to teach                                                                    
     the  college  courses through  articulation  agreements                                                                    
     with universities  and colleges.   Are  they reimbursed                                                                    
     for the  courses they are teaching  since no university                                                                    
     staff is involved other than the registrar?                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     If the  local district  teaches these classes  can they                                                                    
     be  reimbursed   through  the   Governor's  Scholarship                                                                    
     Program?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     There would  seem to  be models  that achieve  the same                                                                    
     result,  like  the  current  model  used  in  Wrangell,                                                                    
     without  any need  for legislation,  additional counts,                                                                    
     and additional  bureaucracy.  Why haven't  these models                                                                    
     been reviewed?                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:13:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that HB 206 would be held, for further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 295 Background.pdf HEDC 1/29/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 295 Fiscal Notes.pdf HEDC 1/29/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 295
Alaska Historic Preservation Act.ppt HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 295
University of Alaska Land Grant Booklet link.docx HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 295
HB 206 material.pdf HEDC 4/15/2009 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 206
Briefing paper for high schoolers taking postsecondary courses HB206.doc HEDC 8/25/2009 9:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/1/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 206
Post Secondary courses for High School Students - HB 206
HB 317 materials.pdf HEDC 2/1/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 317
HB317_EED_ACYA_1-27-10.pdf HEDC 2/1/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB317_EED_ESS_1-27-10.pdf HEDC 2/1/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
House Education questions on HB 295 .doc HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 295
HB 206 Version P February 4, 2010.pdf HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/10/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/12/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/19/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/8/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/17/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 206
HB 206 version P Sponsor Statement February 4, 2010.docx HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/10/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/12/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/19/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/1/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/8/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/17/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 206
HB 317 version S.pdf HEDC 2/5/2010 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 2/10/2010 8:00:00 AM
HB 317